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Q6 Blog

A record of events, activities and our work with the Q6



Wednesday 21st March 2018

In my absence bringing a van back from Surrey yesterday, Ian reports a bright sunny but cold morning at Grosmont with Jon Bradley, Bill Dobson, Steve Hyman, Derek Shorten, Nigel Hall, and Ian himself. Later on in the morning Roy Marshall called in briefly, and feeling a bit under the weather, to deliver a couple of new strops and some paperwork for Bryan Orange (which I collected today and will give to Bryan on Saturday). No mice again, but two traps are now set!

Usual cups of tea all round that cold morning to warm everyone up, then work started with Steve removing the inner part of the valve gland follower, as it had moved slightly out of line with the outer part causing the oil supply to be cut off and the valve spindle not getting lubricated. But just as he had got it apart, a call came from the MPD asking if we could spare a couple of our team to help Andrew Jeffery and Jamie Lazenby down at the MPD on No 5 road to weigh the J27 tender. So Steve and Jon spent three parts of the day at the MPD. After completing the weighing Andrew gave us a copy of the weighing results: these are in the red In box on the table upstairs in Deviation Shed (photo shows the weighing results on the electronic display and the tender being weighed). In the meantime, Bill spent some time at the MPD trying to see where we were in the queue with various jobs, from boiler work to lathe work. At the moment we still seem to be at the back of the queue, although Mark has now welded the nicks on the front tube plate. Nigel continued to repair the valve follower left by Steve. The inner and outer sections were lined up, drilled and secured with a small grommet - job complete and ready for fitting. Derek finished painting the tender steam heat and vacuum pipes then set about cleaning the grime and grease from the tender wheels. Ian continued working underneath the locomotive, fitting taper pins on the eccentric rods.

Lunch was had in Deviation shed seeing as the weather was a little better, not too bad for us hardy Northern souls! Later, Jon oiled and put the trimmings into the eccentric oil reservoirs and new corks were fitted. Bill drilled through the small boss from the trailing R/H crankpin, which now requires a small taper reamer to complete the job. That will be completed on Saturday. Roy brought 2 new, 1 metre, 1 ton strops, Nos 510190 & 510186. These are now with the others in the workshop and are OK to use. Nigel found one old strop hanging from the Q6 dome - 1 metre, 1 ton, No. 880172 - which was missed at the last inspection. This looks to be in good order but cannot be used until the next inspection in six months time. It is now in the filing cabinet with the other two that were found a few weeks ago: we must try and put this equipment back in the workshop after use instead of being left out and forgotten about! All the paper records are in a red file in the workshop.

Standard Class 4 No 76079 and Class 25 diesel were working top and tail on Esk Valley Line route refreshers. There was also lots of shunting round the MPD moving the J27 out so Eric Treacy could be put outside ready for its boiler lift today. The B1 and Standard Tank No 80136 were on steam tests.

Next working party will be on Saturday 24th March. Plenty of milk and biscuits in stock. Remember though that Saturday sees the start of the 2018 operating season, albeit with the winter timetable used that day, Silver on Sunday and then into Red for the week before and after Easter. That means the station cafe will be open, but also that the car park will be busier than we are used to, and there may be rather more visitors about - there were certainly a lot there today when I was briefly at Grosmont checking on progress with the J27, for which a separate note will follow in due course.

 

Wednesday 14th March 2018

A pleasant, sunny at times, Spring like day at Grosmont yesterday where even the mud in the MPD yard was beginning to dry up. In attendance were Bill Dobson, Ian McCall, Steve Hyman, Derek Shorten, Nigel Hall, Jon Bradley and myself. Fortunately no mice as Bill had forgotten to bring some new mouse traps.

After the morning tea, Derek got on with painting the steam heat and vacuum pipes under the tender with a coat of black gloss, and Nigel made a start on prepping the J27 tender buffer beam ready for John Furness: it is now in anti corrosion green primer. I spent the morning at the MPD checking on progress with the J27, about which a separate note will follow. Ian McCall, on his last visit for some weeks, machined down the eccentric locking nuts on the lathe in the workshop. The rest of the team put up the inside left eccentric, having decided that this would not prevent the outside one being fitted once it had been straightened. Lunch was had on the bench in the Shed.

After lunch, Barney came up to Deviation Shed to check the eccentrics, and stayed to help, with advice and muscle power, the fitting of the left hand connecting rod. This involved moving the locomotive forward half a turn to get the big end down to the bottom so the rod would clear the step, and, with a bit of jiggling, and a lot of heaving, the rod went home in the crosshead. In the absence of the big end bearing, a block of wood was put in to keep the rod off the bearing axle. The bearing itself remains at the MPD awaiting machining after being remetalled. Steve then spent the rest of the afternoon securing the little big end with its nut and driving the cotter home - which also involved removing and refitting the recalcitrant oil pot to get access. In the meantime, the by now straightened, skimmed and cooled, left outside eccentric rod was returned to Deviation Shed, was satisfactorily NDT'd during the afternoon tea break (yes, we have three tea and biscuit breaks in total during the day to keep us going!) and then Jon, Bill and myself fitted it to the locomotive. All the nuts are only finger tight, and the securing pin in the plug at the valve end was not fitted. All the eccentrics will need a thorough check for nuts, pins and cotters. In the meantime, Ian was making new cotters for the eccentrics, but the pillar drill failed and a number will need the split pin holes drilling using the hand drill unless the pillar drill can be cajoled back into operation.

There were only a small number of visitors, but the B1 was still in the MPD, having been stopped on Saturday from going to the Severn Valley because of problems with its springs, discovered during efforts to weigh it. There remains some doubt as to whether it will make its GB Scottish railtour participation, although every effort is being made to get it there. In any case, the Esk Valley line is closed following a bridge strike at Castleton. Initially thought to be by a bin lorry, it now appears it could have been a Yorkshire Water vehicle. Either way, the strike was such that the bridge has apparently moved 10 inches on the stone piers and the track has been deflected as a result. It is hoped repairs will be completed by tomorrow, but it meant that Tornado, which was also due to go to the Severn Valley yesterday, had to go down to New Bridge, and then be taken by road. There are also reported to be problems with the firebox of Eric Treacy which mean it may not be returning to traffic any time soon.

Although there is still work that can be done on the Q6, we are now waiting for the MPD team to complete a number of jobs before we can finish the bottom end and get on with the boiler retubing. With a number of individuals also unavailable this weekend, it has therefore been decided to have a break, and there will be no working party this Saturday. The next one will therefore be on Wednesday 21 March. Hope you will be there.

 

Saturday 10th March 2018

Ian (who was present following a cancelled diesel course), reports a murky, wet, morning at Grosmont with Andy and Joan Lowes, Peter Ellis, Trevor Wilford, and Bryan Orange and the JV's. No mice to report again but he thinks new traps are required as the chocolate has been consumed from our trap - can Bill bring some new traps please! There was fantastic support from some of the JV's parents, with Ethan Humble's Mum and Grandmother manning a sales stall, with cakes, tea and coffee. Another JV's Dad, Andy Pritchard, set up a small model railway layout alongside the stalls. These all attracted lots of visitors into Deviation Shed and also watching Tornado passing by on its way to Pickering, the B1 shunting around the yard and steam heating stock at the Station, and Standard Tank 80136 on passenger work. About £110 was made at the stalls - a tremendous effort and much appreciated by the Group.

Some JVs were working on the J27, some with Piglet working on Lucie, and some working on the Q6. Both valve bores were cleaned with fine emery paper by one of our JVs, with Joan Lowes supervising other JVs on other work, including full greasing of the locomotive and tender. One new JV was working with Bryan, refitting plugs back on to an extension cable and light fitting which got damaged last week. Peter spent the day making new cotters for the eccentrics, and has made and fitted cotters to the left hand side eccentrics. Some of these will need the locking nut reducing slightly to make a better fit, and hopefully Ian McCall will be able to operate the lathe in our workshop to do this on Wednesday. Trevor removed an old stud which was jammed in the regulator valve and fitted two new studs. This valve has now been put back upstairs on the shelf. Andy, with one of the JV's in attendance, worked on each valve in the workshop, completing the assembly with cotter pins ready for fitting. Ian has emphasisied that if the valves have to be dismantled for any reason, the new keys which Andy fitted inside at the rear end of the valve have a small hole tapped into them. An M4 bolt can be screwed into the key for easy removal. Ian himself was working fitting taper pins into the front end of the eccentric rods: a long slow process getting pins from the shed, cutting them to size and filling and splitting. The top two are still to do on Wednesday.

Lunch was had down at the MPD mess room. Afterwards, Andy, Trevor and JV Henry Pritchard fitted the valves. These are still to connect to the valve rods, but the cotters seem to be too loose when fitted and it looks as if new ones will have to be made: the old ones are on the pit wall below each valve. Two strops were found by Trevor on the engine which seem to have missed the inspection a couple of weeks ago. These are 2metre I ton strops Nos 856525 and 856527 and they have been put upstairs in the metal filling cabinet, 3rd drawer down . If so they will have to be inspected next time there is an inspection about 6 months time but in the meantime do not use these strops until their status has been clarified.

Trevor will not be available for the next three Saturdays, and next Wednesday is the last that Ian McCall will be available for six weeks.

The next working Party will be on Wednesday (14th March), by when, hopefully the last of the flue tube holes will have been chamfered so work on the boiler can be progressed.

 

Wednesday 7th March 2018

A much better day weather wise at Grosmont yesterday - a lot milder than of late and glorious sunshine in the middle of the day as Tornado passed Deviation Shed. Tornado also worked the 09.30 train to Pickering, as well as the lunchtime departure and a special train for A1 Trust covenantors and supporters at 15.40, while Repton took the 10.30 train to Pickering and 80136 was pottering up and down the line to Goathland on running in turns. What more could you wish for? (but don't answer that question!). There was a really big turn out at Deviation Shed with 10 of us, later being joined by two young cleaners from the MPD. To mark the occasion, Daniel Gibbard took the attached photo of the assembled miltitude at lunchtime, but for the record those present were Bill Dobson, Ian McCall, Derek Shorten, Steve Hyman, Nigel Hall, Roy Marshall, Jon Bradley, Dave Donegan, Ian Pearson and myself, joined by the two cleaners - Chris Wakefield and Daniel Gibbard. But no mice. Fortunately there was plenty of milk, so the kettle was on almost constantly to provide cups of tea for such a gathering before getting to work. We might need a bigger teapot if the numbers continue at this level!

Q6 volunteer working partu 7th March - Daniel Gibbard

Derek put a coat of paint on the vacuum and steam heat pipes under the tender and cab, as well as washing up and making some of the many brews. The two Ians, with assistance from Jon, removed the damaged left hand forward eccentric rod which was taken down at the MPD for inspection and rectification. There was much scratching of heads over the best way to effect the repair but they were due to give it a go today. The Ians then fitted the right hand eccentric rods, but note, these are only fastened hand tight and the taper pins at the front of the rod are just loosely fitted. Roy spent most of the day making cotters for the eccentrics. Bill, Dave, Steve and Nigel fitted the crosshead to the piston rod on both sides of the locomotive.

Three roe deer grase the bank above Armstrong Oilers - Nigel Hall

Lunch was taken in Deviation shed while our two young cleaners volunteered to go into the boiler to fit the regulator rod through the retaining bracket and into position through the stays. It was then successfully located through into the cab with the help of Bill and Jon, and the regulator handle was fitted to avoid anyone bumping themselves on the protuding end of the rod. After lunch, the right hand connecting rod was fitted by the crosshead team: the little end has been tightened up and cotter pin put in but not opened. The big end brasses have been assembled on the rod and are fitted onto the journal but have not been fastened up as they may need shimming. It is sat on some timber for support.

The 12.40 departure for Pickering is hauled by Tornado -Nigel Hall

There were a lot of visitors, including our Treasurer, Richard Wheeler, but he would not accept the offer of a spare pair of overalls and to get stuck in - not even a cup of tea! - but did meet some of the MPD staff with whom he has regular dealings, but had not previously met. I had to leave about three o' clock as I had been invited to travel to Pickering and back on the A1 Trust special, and on which there were a number of NELPG members. Piglet came up to Deviation Shed about 4pm, just as the team was packing up, to work on Lucie for a few hours and he agreed to lock up the shed when he had finished.

 

Saturday 3rd March 2018

Ian reports another cold grey day with the odd snow flurry at Grosmont. All the main roads were open from Teesside and Wetherby with Ian McCall, Peter Ellis, Bill Dobson, Trevor Wilford and Ian in attendance. Around lunch time came Nigel Hall, followed by the hiab down Esk Valley bank with the J27 cab, chimney, sand boxes, springs and various other bits and pieces (see separate report and photo from last night).

The usual cuppa was prepared by Trevor (what a great guy) and no mice again. Work started with Trevor removing the last nut from the header, which was then removed, while Ian P, Ian M and Peter removed the left inside eccentric for drilling out the oil way hole which was too small for the syphon tube. After drilling and fitting the tube, this eccentric was fitted back onto the sheave with a 15 thou shim put in, and tightened up. Lunch was had in the warmth of the MPD mess room.

After lunch, the two Ian's had a quick look round Tornado. Then back to work trying to fit the left hand eccentric rod. This became very frustrating as it would not sit flush onto the eccentric. No matter how much we tried to knock it, and move it up and down, it did not want to move. It was taken down and some filing was done, put back up and still it would not fit. As time ran out, this is something for another go on Wednesday. Ian M started to make new cotters for the eccentrics, but didn't get far as he was helping Ian P and Bill with the eccentric rod.

Not much to report on the boiler: there's one or two chamfer's still to cut on the flues. Nigel delivered the Q6 valves. These are now stored behind the bench in Deviation Shed with a pink blanket over them.

 

 

Wednesday 28th February 2018

With no Q6 working party, there is nothing to report other than the damaged copper ferrule has been removed and Mark O'Brien is now sourcing some suitable copper bar to make a replacement. The remaining flue tubes await having the chamfers cut. Bill is chasing up Mathew Storey about progress with the welding of the elements.

 

Saturday 24th February 2018

Ian reports a fine dry, sunny but cold, day at Grosmont, with only three attending - Peter Ellis, Ian McCall, and Ian himself. No more mice to report again: we must have got them all at last! Usual cuppa, then it was eccentric work all day, with the two Ian's fitting and Peter making shims and assisting fitting the eccentrics where required. This is heavy work in a confined space. The right hand outer was shimmed first with 20 thou each side then tightened up. The cotter pin is still to make and fit. Then the left hand inner was fitted and shimmed, again 20 thou each side and tightened up. Then the last one, right hand inner, which still requires shims. All the syphon tubes were fitted into the oilways, but, unfortunately, the syphon on the left hand inner would not fit flush, protruding out a couple of inches even though the white metal had been drilled. This one will have to be dismantled and a larger hole drilled on Wednesday. All the trimmings for the syphon tubes are soaking in lube oil in a tub on the work bench.

Lunch was had upstairs at the MPD. One flue tube is left to have the chamfer cut after the MPD boiler team's activities on Friday. All the ferrules have been brought up and are in a box on the workshop bench.

Only a few visitors round today, about half a dozen, but that should increase next Saturday with Tornado in operation.

Next working party will be Wednesday 28th February weather permitting:
be warned, it may be very cold!

 

Wednesday 21st February 2018

A bit of a grey day, but fairly mild with some sunshine later at Grosmont, with Derek Shorten, Ian McCall, Roy Marshall, Nigel Hall, Ian Pearson and myself. Usual cuppa and no mice to report again!

Nigel, Roy, Derek and myself spent much of the day moving J27 parts from Deviation Shed down to the Fabrication Shop, and unloading Nigel's van - see separate J27 report. Ian P and Ian M started work on removing the 2 sets of eccentrics . First the left hand outer was taken down, the oil ways drilled through the white metal, and then re-fitted back onto the sheave (see photo).

Lunch was had in Deviation Shed today due to the mild weather.

After lunch, Ian P and Ian M continued to remove the right hand inner eccentric. This did not need any drilling but made the job of fitting the right hand outer much easier and with a little help from Chris (these eccentrics are quite heavy), this was fitted by the end of the day. These will need tightening and shimming where necessary.  Now the left and right inner eccentrics can be fitted on Saturday. Derek continued to clean grime and rust from the vacuum and steam pipes under the cab and tender ready for a coat of paint.

 

Ian McColl and Ian Pearson reassemble an eccentric - Chris Lawson

An inspection of lifting tackle was done today by the NYMR's inspector. He only wanted to look at strops and shackles and his records showed 6 strops and 2 shackles. But we only had 3 strops and 2 shackles in stock. The 2 shackles  and two x 2 metre stops passed OK and have been marked up with yellow paint. The one metre strop failed, and this was disposed of. We now require some replacements: two x 2 metre and two x 1 metre strops. In future, if any strops are defective, please remove the label and keep for the inspector in a safe place - the filing cabinet in the upstairs store will do fine - and dispose of the defective strop.

Barry Neesom has made 52 copper ferrules. These are in a box in the machine shop along with the remaining length of copper pipe. Ian will collect these on Saturday and take them to Deviation Shed. A start will be made on Friday to chamfer the remaining 6 flues.

 

Saturday 17th February 2018

Ian reports a cold murky morning at Grosmont today with Trevor Willford, Peter Ellis and Ian himself. No mice to report, usual cuppa, and then the first job was to take the left hand big end down to the machine shop as requested by Owain. This is for re-metalling, then machining, which may be done later next week.

Trevor was again working in the smoke box all day, and managed to remove another nut and nearly the last one, but alas time ran out. Very disappointing but he will get it out next Saturday. The other 3 eccentrics have been delivered to Deviation Shed, so Ian and Peter set about getting the left outside ready for fitting. With a struggle and a lot cursing and the use of the steps, they eventually got it fitted before lunch was taken upstairs at the MPD. After lunch they started to get the left inside ready, but found quite a bit of over run white metal between the brass and the eccentric casting. Its removal revealed that there were no oil ways drilled through the white metal. That started the alarm bells ringing about whether the oil ways been drilled on the 2 eccentrics already fitted. Ian went to check and found that the eccentric he and Peter had fitted earlier didn't have any oil ways, while the right hand inner only had one oil way drilled. These 2 eccentrics will have to be taken down, drilled and re- fitted next week. The oil way on the left hand inner eccentric was drilled out and this is now ready for fitting, along with the right hand outside eccentric which had its oil ways ready drilled by the MPD. Really frustrating and disheartening.

Nigel Hall has brought one load of copper pipes for the J27 which are on pallets and have been placed in the four foot on No 8 road behind Hartland. The old main smoke box steam pipe has been put next to No5 - it may make a good flue for Bill's stove in due course! The J27 itself has been successfully coupled together, and subject to finding a replacement signalman for one who has gone sick, the J27 should be moved to Grosmont on Monday. Paul H will be checking it over at Pickering tomorrow and oiling up. When it arrives, the engine will go straight in to the Fabrication shop for work to start, while the tender will go into Deviation Shed on top of the Q6 tender. To achieve this, Hartland will be moved out of Deviation Shed and No 29 and Lucie will be moved into Hartland's space. Nigel is hoping to bring down the remaining smaller components, mainly from the brass store, on Wednesday, along with the photo album to guide those fitting cab pipework.

 

Wednesday 14th February 2018

A very cold, fairly bright, morning at Grosmont yesterday with Ian McCall, Derek Shorten, Steve Hyman, Jon Bradley, Ian Pearson and myself on my return from Australia - a 30C drop in temperature takes a bit of getting used to! Cups of tea all round and then work started with me going down to the MPD to discuss with Paul Middleton and Barney the movement of the J27 (or P3 as some people prefer to call it) to Grosmont, and the project plan for its completion and return to traffic.

Derek set about cleaning the front part of the vacuum pipe situated behind the front buffer beam and then the left hand side rods. Ian M continued with the fitting of the side rod cotters, which are now complete. He also fitted the end caps to the trailing and intermediate side rod crank pins, and also the cap and castellated nut on the leading crank pin, secured with a split pin. While doing this work he noticed a missing plug from the trailing crank pin. This is a threaded plug which screws into the centre of the crank pin. There are 2 of these plugs each side, trailing and intermediate, so the intermediate one was removed and taken down to the MPD. Barney is going to see Owain and have one made. In addition, 2 sets of studs from the J pipe are also to be made, as the old ones are quite worn on the threads. Ian went to see Shaun Bowler regarding the poor fitting of the right hand inside eccentric and he came up to Deviation Shed to assist Ian P and Jon to take the eccentric down. Here we found that one of the bolts which eventually is coupled to the eccentric rod, and is located between the brass and the eccentric casting, was sitting slightly proud and pushing the brass upwards. This stud was removed and another fitted with more clearance. That gave a much better fitting eccentric but, when tightened up, we could not move the eccentric, so it was then given extra shims each side. A bit of trial and error at first with 5 thou no good, then 10 no good, then 15 and still tight when tightened up, so then 20 thou and this finally proved to be OK. So 2 shims were made and one fitted either side and the nuts and locking nuts were then tightened up. Now all that is required is two cotters making and fitting. Steve made a good job of cleaning the J pipe recess . On my return from the MPD, I made a start cleaning grime and rust from the steam heat pipe under the tender and also part of the first and second wheelsets on the right hand side. Lots of grime to remove so plenty of cleaning work and painting to do in this area!

Lunch was had in Deviation Shed upstairs. Owain came up and measured the big end brasses and the journals. The right hand big end was OK but the left hand one needs to be remetalled.

 


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