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Q6 Blog

A record of events, activities and our work with the Q6

Wednesday 30th May 2018

A cold dank day at Grosmont today with very dense fog on the Moors making driving very difficult. In spite of that, Jon Bradley (who forgot the Hobnobs), Steve Hyman, Nigel Hall, Paul Jameson (on holiday at Levisham and travelling on the train), Bill Dobson and myself managed to make it. Roy Marshall delivered the adjusted storm sheet for the J27 which was put to immediate use as it had started to rain just before its booked departure on the 1130 from Grosmont. Ian Pearson called in before his afternoon driving turn to let Bill know where the chuck and tools for the new milling machine had been put for safekeeping, and we also had a welcome visit from Derek Norris.

After the usual cuppa, and a prolonged period of train watching, the NER style dome for the J27 was moved on to a shelf upstairs in the workshop, and, with the help of Phil and the JCB, the Q6 header moved from by the wheeldrop to the south end of No 6 road at Deviation Shed. The blanking plates from the ends have been removed and also moved on to a shelf upstairs in the workshop, tagged and entered in the parts log. The new milling machine was moved into the workshop, set up on the bench at the south end and, with Paul's help, made operational. More thanks are due to Sean for the additional tools and parts he has provided.

In view of the bad weather, lunch was held on the bench in Deviation Shed with a few visitors to chat to and show round. Afterwards, the brake gear between engine and tender was refitted, followed by the steam heat and vacuum through pipes and the brake rigging. The cab floor parts were trial fitted and repaired where necessary: the left and right hand boxes were left in place but the central section removed to provide access to the firebox for retubing. In the meantime, Nigel spent the day cleaning the studs and flange face for the header, in preparation for its refitting once the retubing has been completed.

Elsewhere, preparations were being made for lifting the boiler for Eric Treacy back into the frames tomorrow. Once that has been done, we have been assured that the boilersmith's priority will be the Q6, with the aim of getting the boiler ready for its hydraulic and steam tests once the boiler inspector returns from his holiday in the last week of June.

Repton also had a broken spring, which occurred last night, replaced in the morning and the locomotive returned to service in the afternoon.


Saturday 26th May 2018

Ian reports a mild morning at Grosmont yesterday with the odd shower, just after our usual cuppa.

He reckoned though that Bill and his day really started on Thursday morning with a couple of unsuccessful attempts to complete the hydraulic test on the header, with the rubber seal failing behind the cover plate. New, thicker, rubber sheet was obtained from Hopetown works on Thursday afternoon to make a new gasket.

Q6 header is hydraulically tested successfully at last.

On Saturday, with Bill Dobson, Nigel Bill, and Ian at the helm, success at last! Ian and Bill removed the cover plate and the old rubber seals, while Nigel made a new gasket. This was then fitted and secured, the header was filled with water, a doggy ball was fitted, and the top plate screwed down. Bill then pumped up the pressure to 270psi and no leaks! Paul Middleton was on site, so he inspected the header and passed it as OK (see photo of the happy team).

That's 270 psi.

By now the sun was shining, so lunch was had alfresco on the picnic tables near Deviation Shed. After lunch, Bill wanted to complete a job on the left hand piston travel, so it was Ian and Nigel on pinch bars moving the loco a short distance to remove the little end pin, and identify whether any adjustment was needed to the big end bearing. Bill marked the distance of travel with punch marks on the bottom slide bar with the con rod on back dead centre, and found the big end requires some shims to the right side of the bearing, but this will be done on Wednesday.

Not many people round the Shed yesterday, bearing in mind it was a Bank Holiday weekend. The J27 was at the back of No 5 road having a water change. B1 1264 was a spare engine, and was also on No 5 road.

Next working party will be on Wednesday 30th May - another month nearly over - although Ian will not be available as he has a driving turn that day.


Wednesday 23rd May 2018

Ian reports a cool overcast morning at Grosmont with Dave Donegan, Steve Hyman, Roy Marshall, Bill Dobson (who was a little late due to a hospital appointment) and Ian himself. Quite a contrast with the Lake District where we are basking in wall to wall sunshine from a cloudless blue sky! Back at Grosmont though, it was tea as usual then all hands on the header and main steam pipes.

The two main steam pipes were hydraulically tested and are OK. But the header continues to be very frustrating. After filling with water and all the doggy balls secured, the pressure was pumped up to around a hundred pounds, but the main rubber seal behind the front plate started to pass water into the other chambers of the header, so no pressure could be retained. By the time it was stripped down it was getting late.

So Bill and Ian are going down this morning (Thursday) to re-fit the seal and box it up again and complete hopefully another hydraulic test .

By lunch time the weather had picked up a bit and, with the sun shining, it was lunch alfresco on the picnic benches.

New milling and drilling machine for Deviation Shed from Sean Bowler - Ian Pearson

Sean Bowler has given NELPG a drilling/milling machine to be installed in Deviation workshop (see photo) for which an enormous thank you is owed to Sean. It is apparently quite a heavy piece of kit and will need at least three strong lads to lift into position. Bill would like it at the south end of the workshop, which needs a good clearing out, as there are lots of old scrap items but, among them, some good material to sort out!


Saturday 18th May 2018

Royal Wedding Day today, blistering hot, so the thought was no work today - but no such luck! Trevor Wilford, Bill Dobson, and Ian Pearson (who was a late starter so missed out on the usual cuppa) decided to forego the attractions of both the Royal Wedding and the FA Cup Final in favour of the delights of Grosmont. Peter Ellis also called in for some copper pipe for SNG (60007) and then legged it to York.

Bill and Trevor started boxing up the Q6 header on the saturated steam side, while Ian went down to the J27 to sort out the oil locker and put some loco tools on board - IE gauge glass spanner and a spanner for the steam oil reservoir and a screw driver, along with an adjustable spanner. He also removed a bag of large bolts which are now upstairs in Deviation Shed: does any one know what they are for?

Lunch was had alfresco on the bench outside Deviation Shed. After lunch, all three worked on the header. It was lifted higher on the bench so the water hose could be connected. It was then filled with water but the three outside plug holes would not seal, so it is back to the drawing board for now! The job was abandoned at 15.45 and home everyone went.

The next working party will be on Wednesday 23 May, when hopefully the hydraulic on the header will be successfully completed.

The J27 was not out today, but will be on a running in turn tomorrow. All being well, it will go to Pickering on the 1630 and then formally enter service, working the 3 coach teak set on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday.



Wendesday 9th May 2018

Well....not everything went as forecast yesterday. First, it was a lovely sunny and warm day so no need to fire up Bill's new stove after all. Then it turned out that Ian had had a fall over the weekend and damaged his shoulder so he was unable to be present - and had even had to cancel a driving turn the previous day! As a consequence, and because of my late arrival following car problems over the weekend, there were no cups of tea to start the day - except for Bill, who was there really early and managed to sneak one in. A disastrous start for what was a big team, particularly from Hartlepool, consisting of Bill Dobson, Roy Marshall, Dave Whitfield, Dave Donegan, Nigel Bill, Jon Bradley, Steve Hyman, Nigel Hall and, eventually, myself. We also had visits from Bob Grey and Derek Norris who had been for a ride out to Pickering, and Terry Newman who was on Repton for the day.

Work concentrated on the header, which Mark O'Brien had managed to remove the previous week - never in a long time had so much effort been concentrated on that large lump of metal in such a relatively short time. Jon Bradley and Roy Marshall took various parts away to be glassblasted down at the MPD, while Nigel Bill and Dave Whitfield cleaned up the header itself. The holes where the elements fit in the header were NDT'd by myself and showed no evidence of any problems. Then it was a case of all hands to prepare blanking plates and seals to prepare the header for a hydraulic which Bill had hoped to carry out by the end of the day. What an optimist! Rubber sealant sheet had to be obtained from the MPD store, cut to shape, along with holes for the many studs, the studs themselves had to have the thread cutter run down them while those that came out with the nuts received attention from Steve Hyman in the workshop, and nuts, bolts and washers of varying shapes and sizes had to be found from the workshop to secure the blanking plates to the header. A long and frustrating job, but by the end of the day, and fortified by cups of tea, the header was all boxed up, apart from the 6 plugs needed to test the saturated side of the header. Bill is going to try to get it taken down to the boiler shop today, clamped on the swaging block and filled with water for the hydraulic test. However, we all know what happens to the best laid plans ......

In between times we did manage to get lunch, with some dining in the sun at the picnic tables up by the wheeldrop, while others stayed back in the shade on the bench in Deviation Shed.

Because of a commercial filming project, services appeared to be running to the Green rather than Red timetable, with 80136 top and tailed with the Class 26 on the Gresley teaks for the filming people, and the normal service trains, which were generally very busy, in the hands of 76079 and Repton, while the B1 came in for wash out.

Working party on Saturday as usual, for which milk will be required and the water bottles need filling before any cups of tea can be poured. In respect of the milk though, can I please ask that opened bottles of milk are not left sideways in the fridge - they leak and the curdled consequences have to be removed from the bottom of a very smelly fridge, along with anything else that was stored there and been affected. Please always leave the milk bottles standing upright, and buy single pints as they fit in that way. Many thanks.


Saturday 5th May 2018

Ian reports a shorts and T shirt day at Grosmont on Saturday - very warm and sunshine throughout. Even so, you wouldn't believe it, but the stove was lit during the morning - Bill claimed it was just a test fire! Present were Bill Dobson, Peter Ellis, Trevor Wilford, Tom Noble, Andy and Joan Lowes, Bryan Orange and a large number of Junior Volunteers, along with Ian. Saturday was a 'Behind the Scenes Day' on the Railway with the MPD open for the general public to wander round. Our shed was very busy with people looking round. A stall was set up in Deviation Shed selling books, pens, locomotive prints and old magazines which was looked after by Joan Lowes and brought in just over £50. Andy was showing some visitors from Threlkeld Quarry and Mining Museum round the MPD and Deviation Shed.

Ian and Tom got the diesel shunter started and moved the breakdown coach and van out of the way so that the Q6 could be worked on directly. Bill, Tom and Ian then fitted the right hand valve into the steam chest, involving a lot of pulling, lifting and jiggling around before it eventually went in, making sure the gland follower was on the spindle first. Then the left and right cotters were fitted. Peter and Trevor were working on the stove chimney project, making a lead seal to go around the top of the chimney and the roof to stop the rain coming in (see photo: hope the biscuits weren't still in the tin being used to stand it on!). Trevor made a cowl which will fit to an extension and then be secured to the chimney.


Lead seal for Deviation Shed stove chimney - Ian Peareson

Alfresco lunch was had on the picnic tables outside Deviation Shed. In the afternoon, Bill and Tom got ready to set the valve timing, with Ian driving the shunter, Bill measuring the valve movement, and Tom relaying the movement to Ian, resulting in a lot of back and forward movements. By 4pm Bill had finished for the time being, but there is more to do next time. Then Ian and Tom had to put the breakdown coach and van back on No 7 road. Two JV's, Tom Readman and Alex Tyson were set on needle gunning the Q6 header which Mark O'Brien had successfully removed on Thursday, and cleaning the stud threads and running a die nut down them under the supervision of Andy Lowes. Noah Hunter and Will Harrison painted the pit wall with white emulsion which Bill managed to share with his overalls! The JVs also sealed and bolted the rear section to the cab roof of the S15, along with sand blasting the cab roof fixing bolts/nuts. JV assistance was also given to needle gunning Lucie's footplate grid.

The next working party will be on Wednesday 9th May, by when it might have got a bit cooler and we could need that stove! As well as finishing off the valve setting, there is all the remaining gear that can be fitted underneath now the valves are in.


Thursday 3rd May 2018


The superheater header on ground outside Deviation Shed - Mark O Brien

Mark O'Brien writes: A quick update on the header. I managed to get the Q6 back outside for a couple of hours to enable removal of the header. An hour with a set of bottles, a hammer, a bar and a chock, the header was lifted down and out of the smokebox onto the floor ready for examination of the header, studs and hydraulic test of the header.


The other side of the header - Mark O Brien


Wednesday 2nd May 2018

A wet miserable morning at Grosmont yesterday but the sky cleared after lunch and the sun came out. With Bill Dobson, Steve Hyman, Nigel Bill, Roy Marshall, Nigel Hall, Ian Pearson, Dave Donegan and myself for what turned out to be a very frustrating day. No mice to report again, and the usual cups of tea all round, were among the highlights.

The aim of the day was to get the valves set on the Q6, for which we needed a diesel and a shunter. None were immediately available however, and, as Bill was eager to get the stove lit in the morning with the weather being so poor, work was started on completing the stove installation. So, with Bill cutting a hole in Deviation Shed roof and assistance from others, the chimney flue was mounted on top of the stove, secured by the new wall brackets, and a fire was lit for the first time. The area round the stove was nearly as warm as that at Hopetown! Ian saw white smoke coming from the shed roof - signs of Bill being elected to a new higher role? Ian was prepping the diesel No. 12139, now re-named Redcar as it was originally, ready to shunt the breakdown crane and coach out of the way, with MPD authority for Nigel Bill to act as shunter. That would then allow the diesel to be available to move the Q6 as required to enable Bill to set the valve timing but by the time Nigel Bill and Ian had removed the breakdown crane to the wheel drop road, fastened them down and returned to No 7 road in Deviation Shed to pull the Q6 outside, the plan had changed. John Furness wanted the J27 moved into Deviation Shed from the running shed so that he could complete its painting, which meant a complicated shunt to remove Lucie (0- 4- 0 VBT) and put the J27 in its place, with the Q6 on top. Sounds simple but......

As it was lunch time, we retired to the bench in Deviation Shed, and were joined by Paul Hutchinson who had brought back the Q6 brick arch formers from Carnforth and joined us for a chat and a cuppa. Steve stacked the arch formers neatly to the left of the double doors into the workshop. After lunch, while waiting for the diesel shunter, Bill, Nigel Bill, Ian and myself took the opportunity to fit the right hand side valve back into the valve steam chest so Bill could line it up, measure and scribe and pop mark it. Chris Cubitt then took over driving the shunter for us, and the Q6 was coupled to the wagon carrying the frames of Lucie . At the same time, another diesel removed a coach from the back road behind Deviation Shed which had to be moved to the running shed where it's refurbished bogies were ready to be fitted, and also make space to get Lucie into the wheeldrop. The J27 also had to be extracted from the back of the running shed behind 80136 and 76079 and brought up to the coaling plant to wait for the arrival of the Q6 ready to go back into Deviation Shed in the right order. At least I think that was planned. By the time this was achieved it was time to move Lucie and the Q6 out side. Lucie was, in the end, put on No 8 road in front of Hartland and then the Q6 was taken to couple onto the J27. However, as the Q6 was being pushed towards the J27, the leading wheels of the Q6 tender derailed at approx 3.30pm. Shed Foreman Barney Casey, Nick Simpson and a team of shed fitters were soon on the scene with the breakdown coach alongside and the lifting jacks out. By 4.45pm the tender was back on the road. Ian assisted in a little more shunting around the shed driving the class 25 and the 08 shunter, and the J27 and Q6 were finally put into Deviation Shed and the doors shut. What an afternoon!

There were some other jobs done by the team today - Nigel Hall filled and rubbed down the BR dome cover and gave it a coat of grey undercoat, and Roy, Steve and Dave brought a lot of items belonging to the J27 from the MPD, some of which are stored upstairs in the workshop and some near the bench at the back of No 8 road . Where individually identifiable they have been tagged and their location recorded on an inventory sheet, a copy of which has been given to Paul Middleton - I currently have the original which will be returned to the upstairs desk in the workshop next week. A check needs to be made of this material once the J27 is back in traffic to see what is surplus to requirements and can be scrapped.

The next working party will be on Saturday 5th May, when it is the NYMR 'Behind the Scenes' weekend. The JVs will be attending with a sales and refreshments stand on the Saturday, ready to show visitors round. Hopefully the left hand side valve can be fitted to the Q6, which will then allow the brake gear and other bits to go back on. For Tuesday, the current plan is to move the Q6 down to the MPD so that the header can be removed, and the long awaited copper ferrule might arrive to enable retubing to start - we will see!


Saturday 28th April 2018

Ian was driving on the NYMR yesterday, so Bill reports via Ian (yes it's a long reporting chain this time!) that it was a cool fine day at Grosmont yesterday with James Swainston, Nigel Bill, Trevor Wilford, Peter Ellis and Bill himself.

After the usual cups of tea and chat, Trevor and Peter finished off fabricating the heavy duty brackets for supporting the flue for the stove. Holes were drilled in the wall of workshop, brackets fixed, and the flue tube hauled into position using the pull lift. However, there is still more work to do on this project before an initial steam test can be carried out and the stove be brought into service!

On the Q6 itself, the valve setting is due to be done next week, possibly on Tuesday or Wednesday, so, in preparation, both piston valves have been removed and the port widths measured. To facilitate this, the link rod between the steam reverser and the way shaft was removed and the Stephenson link position altered with a crowbar. Some of the small tubes put in the boiler last Saturday were re-positioned to allow Mark O'Brien better access for beading over the screwed copper ferrule when it arrives in the next day or two - it has been waiting for a material certificate before being despatched, but that has now apparently been received so is on its way at last. The chamfering of the flue tube holes has also been completed by the NYMR. The header remains to be removed. Mark O'Brien has been concentrating on the J27 in the last few days, but now his work on that has been largely completed he says he will get on with removing the header on Tuesday.

Nigel Bill removed the defective front safety valve from the J27 and dismantled it. Bill Dobson then measured the clearances on the seat and found it will need machining to correct them.

The next working Party will be on Wednesday, 2 May - fingers crossed, this should be the final month of the overhaul.


Wednesday 25th April 2018

A sunny and dry but rather cool day yesterday at Grosmont, with Bill Dobson, Ian Pearson, Roy Marshall, Nigel Hall and myself. Usual cups of tea to start with and discussions on what we were to do as we were waiting of a shunt with the 08 shunter. The tea club has now been extended to include Martin Ashburner and William Parrish from the Essex Loco Society, working on the boiler of 825 on No 8 Road.

I brought the BR style dome cover for the J27 down from upstairs which Nigel spent the rest of the day stripping down and repainting in primer. Ian oiled up all side rods, big ends and little ends and Bill lubricated the pistons. Roy cleaned the left hand con rod, which had acquired quite a bit of rust and grime over time sat on the floor of Deviation Shed. Ian spoke to Chris Cubitt about the movement of the Q6 as he was driving the 08. There was a long list of shunts to be done before the Q6, and Ian was told it would be 1 o'clock before we could have a shunt. Bill asked Ian to disconnect the drive from the steam reverser shaft to the expansion link which he did and tied the shaft up out of the way, as it was touching the intermediate axle. Hopefully this should make it easier to set the valves, but no valve setting was done as the MPD valve setter was away.

No alfresco lunch today as it was a bit too cool for sitting outside at the picnic tables, so we ate inside on the bench in Deviation Shed. Derek Shorten called in to see us during the lunch break: he is struggling to walk with arthritis in his knee joint and went for a ride out on the train to Pickering. Just after 1pm, Chris Cubitt started up the 08 "Gronk " with Josh, the diesel fitter, as shunter. After moving the crane and breakdown coach, the 08 was attached to the Q6 and, with great driving skill and communication with the shunter, it was moved very slowly to test the piston travel on both sides. These proved to be OK and lining up with the pop marks. The locomotive was then taken outside for removal of the header. After a lot of time and effort, using the telehandler with strops attached round the header and onto the tines, and in spite of a lot of help and effort from William Parrish, including use of a burning torch to heat the flange and bolts and try to break the seal, it all proved to be of no avail and we had to retire unsuccessful. The Q6 was left outside Deviation Shed and Mark O'Brien said he would have another go today once he had finished with the J27. While the Q6 was outside however, I cleaned the mechanical lubricator which was rather grubby with oil and dirt, as well as keeping an eye on progress with the J27.

Next working party will be this Saturday, 28th April.

An empty No 7 road with a dry pit - Nigel Hall

In other news, the guttering replacement on Deviation Shed has now been completed and one positive consequence has been a drying out of the pit (see Nigel Hall's photo) - the pump has not had to be used during the last three working parties. Long may it continue! On the Railway, the boiler and frames of 9F No 92134 have arrived and were moved into the running shed yesterday. It is reported to be here on the same basis as 80136 - completion (it apparently has a boiler ticket) and then running on the NYMR in return for a number of years. The B1 also returned to New Bridge yesterday following its holiday in Scotland - at least its tender was seen on a low loader heading East along the A64 near Whitwell on the Hill at about 5.45pm. In its absence, and 80136 on wash out, services were in the hands of Repton and 76079, along with the DMU.


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